For those who are determined to believe that the violence that has been occurring in Toronto over the G8/G20 summit is simply the acts of a few radicals, here’s video evidence to the contrary from SDAMatt2.
As SDAMatt2 points out, Sid Ryan’s group, Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), is marching alongside and encouraging the actions of the Black Bloc, a group of anarchists who have been going around, dressed fully in black, as per anarchists tactics, and committing acts of vandalism. It isn’t simply Sid Ryan’s group, but also John Clarke’s Ontario Coalition Against Poverty (OCAP) that is supporting these extremists. SDAMatt2 also provides video of Clarke’s “support” for the Black Bloc’s actions…
Now what is there to be said about this? Well, as Ryan had stated previously, his group would be adhering strictly to peaceful protesting practices. He even stated that they had themselves designated a protest zone where they would protest the G8/G20 summits and push their politics that way. Suffice to say, it was a lie. As the video above demonstrates, they abandoned their designated protest zones to clash with police. Not content with a peaceful demonstration, these groups have purposely sought confrontation with law enforcement in a desperate attempt to have their twisted political beliefs heard. I wonder whether or not Michael Coren will raise this next time Sid Ryan appears on his show. So much for “raising the level of discourse” eh?
While many Canadians are still angry at the amount of money spent on security for the G8/G20 summits, it is easy to see why it was needed. Even with the large security force in place in Toronto, violent protesters and their supporters are starting too many riots for these forces to keep up with. The burning of police cars, the complete destruction of store fronts (Starbucks, a typical liberal “intelligentsia” hangout, being one of the victims) and the other random acts of violence appear to be too much to handle, but that is the point isn’t it? While it is a far cry from the acts of al-Qaeda, this is very much domestic terrorism. As Clarke himself points out in the CityTV interview, they intend on terrorizing both the public and private sectors until their political goals are met. This is why a billion dollars in tax payer money was spent, to prevent these radicals from achieving this objective. Force can only be met with force, and while I applaud the security forces in Toronto for their restraint, the actions of these protesters should not be tolerated, but dealt with harshly. Arrest them, charge them, and imprison them. I don’t want to see those responsible for these actions released shortly after the summit is over.
Who is responsible? As I stated previously, both CUPE and OCAP have a hand in this, but there are many more people connected to this violence. Various student/political groups on the University of Toronto campus should be investigated for their support of the Black Bloc as well. Early this morning, after getting a tip, Toronto police raided the Koffler Student Centre and the Graduate Students’ Union and found various weapons of opportunity. In my opinion, University officials should immediately suspend funding to both groups and allow for a police investigation into their connection with the Black Bloc. It is bad enough that these individuals are being aided by various political groups, but when publicly funded school groups are also providing support, it adds insult to injury. Does anyone else see the irony in public funds being use to help a group which wants to tear down the government? It is dumbfounding.
I will honestly say I have had enough of this. Be it the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City in 2001, or these riots on the streets of Toronto, I am sick and tired of having to allow for this political radicalism. This isn’t about the exercising basic freedoms, especially since carrying weapons and committing random acts of vandalism aren’t protected rights for any individuals, no matter what side of the political spectrum they happen to be on. This is about not having to tolerate this nonsense, nor having to pay for the security needed to protect against it, let alone the clean up which follows. If these protesters were indeed peaceful as they so often like to claim, why is it that this happens every time they protest? If you want to protest peaceful, than stick to your designated protest zones as you promised you would. The rights of ordinary people and business owners are being pushed aside to accommodate these violent temper tantrums every time they want to push their twisted political message and it has to stop. Those who condone and encourage this behaviour should be publicly criticized, if not arrested and charged, to show the rest of society that this nonsense will no longer be tolerated. This especially applies to those who support, if not openly declare themselves to be anarchists. If you ask me, anarchist organizations should be treated like terrorist groups as they have the same objectives as al-Qaeda and other such organizations; the complete destruction of Western society.
A few random acts of violence? More like a few random acts of peaceful protest amongst a larger and considerably violent mob. As the first video demonstrates, this is the true face of the G8/G20 protests… Disgraceful…
UPDATE: Before anyone comments or corrects me on this, while the event happening in Toronto is the G20 summit (the G8 summit was in Huntsville, Ontario), these protests are in response to both summits. These people are anti-globalization, as well as anti-establishment, and they have been gathering in Toronto for the last week or so. Because of this, I take their actions to be against both summits, not simply the G20.
UPDATE: News reports coming in about the “mistreatment” of protesters by police. While there have been some questionable actions, I doubt it is as bad as it is being portrayed. Conflicting reports are coming in about whether these people were given a warning before they were arrested. Two reporters for the National Post, Brett Gundlock and Colin O’Connor, were detained for refusing to disperse, as well as being “amongst violent people.” Seeing how they don’t look particularly “professional” (they both look like soccer hooligans), it is easy to see how they could be mistaken for protesters and arrested, especially if they wouldn’t leave the area. In any event, unless these reporters have permission to be there, they shouldn’t be there. Same goes with the rest of these “innocent and peaceful protesters” who have been arrested (I doubt they were peaceful with some of them carrying hatchets, nail guns and body armour, among other things). After the riots yesterday, unless these people were looking for trouble, they shouldn’t be anywhere near the police, let alone out in the streets of Toronto.
As for these stories about protesters not getting the best treatment while detained, I couldn’t care less. Why should I? Once again, we have seen the videos of these rioters destroying store fronts, pictures of them attacking police, etc so why should anyone care how they are treated in custody? Let’s not forget that this is Canada, and our treatment of detainees is pretty good even in the worst of circumstances. Holding cells were crowded? Considering how many people were arrested, why wouldn’t they be? We are also hearing conflicting reports about whether or not they were given food, but seeing how many of those being released have have said they were given sandwiches to eat and water to drink, it is obvious that many of these individuals are trying to pass themselves off as “martyrs”. “Victims” who were just yesterday victimizing store owners and innocent Torontonians trying to get home after being let go early from work.
Michael Coren weighed in on this in his usual “moderate” way, saying that “the police are now acting with too much violence and towards innocent people.” Considering the various videos and pictures depicting the exact opposite, I wonder whether this isn’t simply another knee jerk reaction from someone who not only hasn’t been paying attention to the events, but is oblivious to even the most basic facts. Here’s the quote that sums this entire nonsensical post up.
There are thousands of them there and they have enough time and resources to do this job properly. But these are the same cops who obsess about small issues, arrest storekeepers protecting their own property, try to arrest soccer fans who are loud rather than violent and generally haven’t grown with the city and changed accordingly.
So the police are not only incompetent but abusive? Enough time and resources to do the job properly? Excuse me, but when even Mayor David Miller, a man known for his left-leaning views, is defending the actions of these officers, it should demonstrate just how wrong Coren is on this. These weren’t “a few middle-class morons” Michael, the Black Bloc is a large and organized group of relatively experienced agitators. If the arrests at the University of Toronto prove anything, it is that these anarchists have far more support then the usual violent twits. Aside from writing an offensive post, what do you do about this kind of nonsense? You legitimize it by inviting people like Sid Ryan on your show. Ask Ryan next time he in on about CUPE members marching with the Black Bloc. He lied to you about wanting a peaceful protest, so why not confront him on it? Prove to me you have the character to do at least that.
While the security forces haven’t been perfect, let’s not pretend that they are the villains in this ongoing drama. They are doing all they can to prevent further property damage and break up further riots, riots which were started by these so-called “peaceful protesters”. These hooligans are definitely not the “victims” many in the media would like us to believe they are. Downright disgraceful…
UPDATE: For you viewing pleasure, the G20 debate from ‘The Michael Coren Show’, courtesy of SDAMatt2.
Suffice to say, Coren himself comes off looking like a twit. StrictlyRight.com’s Andrew Lawton doesn’t appear particularly informed either, floating conspiracy theories about how the police let four vehicles get torched (this was upsetting because I actually like the guy). Think horse, not zebra! Obviously police left the car there as a sign of there presence in the area, not as a “clever trap” to catch protesters. I am actually surprised to see Tarek Fatah coming out of this looking like the voice of reason. While I don’t agree with him most of the time, he definitely knew the facts while the other panelists didn’t. It would have been nice if Coren let him finish his points instead of interrupting him with “moderate” dribble. Pathetic…
UPDATE: Finally there is some coverage from the other side of the border. Hot Air’s Allahpundit has a post up, and while I don’t agree with either his or Mark Steyn’s conclusions, I recommend my modest readership at least give the videos he has posted a look.
UPDATE: New video from ‘The Michael Coren Show’, courtesy of SDAMatt2.
Coren appears far more moderate in these videos, especially now having the facts on the incident. Even with all that was said, I still have a hard time blaming Police Chief Bill Blair for this. Violence was perpetrated by the rioters, and ONLY the rioters, and while the police definitely should have done more on Saturday, considering the end results (vandalism was fairly limited compared to other such incidents in the past, and no one was seriously injured or killed), I don’t see this as anywhere near a complete failure by law enforcement. Also, while innocent bystanders were arrested, let’s not pretend that most, if not all people (as some would like to believe) detained were “in the wrong place at the wrong time”. I still believe that the majority of people who were arrested on Sunday, considering the events Saturday, were out looking for trouble. Coren himself now even admits that many of these “accredited” reporters were not the innocent bystanders they claim to be.
If logic and common sense can’t prevail against this nonsensical narrative push by many in the media, than we have a problem. Mind-boggling…
UPDATE: There is no better way to end a story than wrapping it up with a poll taken by Angus Reid on public reaction to the events at the G20 summit. As Kelly McParland from the National Post reports, the news is definitely not good for the protesters.
Respondents were asked about their feelings about the demonstrations that took place in Toronto during the G20 summit. Two-thirds of Canadians (69%) are disgusted, 59% are ashamed, 57% are angry, and 54% are sad. In Toronto, the proportion of respondents who reported negative feelings was higher (Disgust 81%, Anger 74%, Sadness 65%, Shame 61%).
Left out by this story, public opinion as to police actions taken during the G20 summit. Across Canada, 66% of those polled believed that actions taken by law enforcement were at least moderately justified, with 41% believing they were completely justified. Even with all this media spin, the overwhelming majority of the public still viewed the police in the right, and the protesters/rioters in the wrong. Refreshing…

[...] As I discussed previously, this nonsense has gone on for far too long. The Black Bloc and its supporters have been given far too much freedom to commit these random acts of violence. With all the media coverage there has been on the G20 riots the last few days, it would be nice it the apologists for these radicals would stop for a second and examine the facts. These weren’t “peaceful protesters”, especially when they are carrying these weapons. How does anyone justify such behaviour? Blame the police, blame the provincial government, blame Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but not the people who actually committed the violence? This is the kind of twisted logic we are seeing from protest supporters and it is downright disgusting… [...]
[...] 16, 2010 Suffice to say, I have been critical of Michael Coren’s opinion of police action during the G20 summit. Despite the evidence to the contrary, Coren believes that the police were downright incompetent and [...]
I don’t understand. This isn’t a partisan issue. Some Indisputable facts:
The police and the Province have admitted to their bogus law. After which they proceeded to violate our Charter – that’s YOUR Charter.
There were a total of about 150 Black Block members. There were arguably 15 – 20,000 police / security on duty that day in the downtown core. It is a fact that the police were ordered to ‘stand down’ when the Black Block went on their rampage.
The Black Block are not in any way affiliated with any other group that were protesting there. In fact there is footage of ordinary citizens trying to stop them.
Somewhere between 1 and 2 billion dollars is still unaccounted for, in the budget.
You guys, I’m not interested in getting tempers up. But what happened at G20 affects every Canadian. Wouldn’t you agree that there are serious questions that need to be answered. As I said this isn’t a partisan issue but if you compare it to – for example – the Liberal sponsorship scandal, this seems FAR more worrying wouldn’t you agree?
Totals on the amount of Black Bloc members is debatable. I have heard anywhere from 150 to 500+ members, but the numbers are skewed because of the how they operated. The National Post had a gallery from the G8/G20 summits which show pictures of abandoned “costumes” strewn across the city. What they were doing was sneaking into the downtown with their black clothing in their bags, getting into their anarchist clothing to commit violence, than switching back to their regular wear when no one was looking. It allowed them to do what they needed to do, then slip back into the crowds undetected. As for this order to stand down being a “fact”, this is a talking point that has been thrown around without any serious evidence to back it up. Be careful where you get your information.
The Black Bloc isn’t “associated” with groups like OCAP and CUPE, but don’t be fooled into believing that these organizations don’t support and encourage their actions. I provided video of John Clarke doing just that. Also, the individuals who did try and stop the Black Bloc anarchists weren’t other protesters, but bystanders who took it upon themselves to do something about the vandalism and looting. The video that everyone points to about this shows a middle-aged man wrestling a Black Bloc member to the ground, but is quickly forced to release him as protesters ran to the rioter’s aid with bicycle police standing by. I have yet to see video of protesters taking it upon themselves to do this, and I have video demonstrating the exact opposite (first video demonstrating protesters from CUPE and other groups cheering them on and helping hide them from cameras).
Yes, I would like to see how that billions dollars was spent, but let’s be realistic here. You have a few thousands police officers, various other security professional who were brought in, then you have the cost of equipment like the barriers that were erected, the body armour the for the police, etc While I would assume there is some loss, let’s not pretend that there is this massive amount of money that just disappeared. Let’s not forget that we have seen worse uses for public funds, so instead of complaining about one billion, why not the several billion spent on failed welfare programs. How about the abuse of unemployment benefits in the Atlantic provinces?
The sponsorship scandal wasn’t really the major issue it was made out to be. Conservatives needed something to knock Paul Martin out of office and the former Prime Minister played right into their hands. Comparing it to the G20 summit, I would actually say it is far worse. While I don’t think there is corruption in this matter, let’s assume there was. This happened at the municipal level, and the result of this assumed corruption is that a bunch of angry and ill-informed individuals spent a day in a detention centre. On the other hand, the sponsorship scandal occurred at the highest levels of government. This was a secret fund, set up by Brian Mulroney mind you (a fact usually left out when it was reported), that the Prime Minister used to reward political allies in his riding. Can you imagine a small cabal of individuals having access to such funds, bypassing the finance minister’s office, to spend money as they alone see fit? That is what happened, and while it didn’t result in much, that doesn’t mean it couldn’t have. A comparison between the abuse of taxpayer funds at the highest level of government and the assumption of police corruption is downright silly.
In any event, thanks for the comment. While I don’t agree, I will say you were far more polite than my usual disagreeing visitors.
Just a followup. Its extremely irresponsible of you to spread misinformation.
The police have outright admitted the crossbow and chainsaw, the chainmail and arrows WERE NOT RELATED TO G20. Blair himself has said as much:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/weapons-seized-in-g20-arrests-put-on-display/article1622761/
Watch out when you say irresponsible. Did you check my other article on this subject?
http://clancop.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/hatchets-machetes-and-crossbows-oh-my-weapons-of-the-g20-protesters/
I am going to forgive you for this comment as you seem fairly level-headed. It is my mistake, I should have posted a link from this page to the follow-up post I have on this matter, but I don’t deserve this kind of criticism.
So, to address this point, I did put up the link to this very article on the follow up post. The chainsaw, crossbows and arrows were found in the van of an individual who was picked up outside a G20 security checkpoint the day before the protests started. Now, as I said in my post, while I believe that this person wasn’t directly connected to the groups protesting, it doesn’t mean that his actions are completely separate from the G20 protests itself. This troubled individual was stopped before he could do anything, and remembering where he was picked up and when, it is silly to suggest that he didn’t want to do something in response to the summit. As I stated in my second article, we saw Joseph Andrew Stack do exactly this earlier this year.
http://mashable.com/2010/02/18/austin-plane-crash/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash
Once again, I forgive you for saying I was being irresponsible, but I would be more careful with your words in the future.
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