17 comments on “In defense of Ben Stein; When even thought is banned…

  1. I am a fan of the Expelled documentary and, as the Darwinists would like to call me, I am proudly a Young Earth Creationist.

    But my interests in the Expelled documentary where in the area of personal freedoms. It is sad that the ones that preach liberal freedoms spend so much time suppressing the freedoms of others.

    Your article is very intelligently written, or maybe the words formed together over time to become a great article, and I find your point of view interesting and to the point. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears of the followers of Darwin.

    I would love to read your research on the Wannsee Conference. Keep up the good work.

    • Thanks for the comment and I do agree that this is about freedom of thought. When you can’t even discuss alternate theories, something is wrong. Science is supposed to be liberating right? Pathetic…

  2. I’d have to disagree with your premise that Darwin is at the heart of eugenics. Eugenics relies on a misapplication of the Theory of Evolution to sociology and cultural development. Nowhere in evolutionary theory are these addressed or even imagined. Eugenics, nazism, and other racist and socialist abuse/d writing and discovery on Natural Selection, much as certain people throughout history have abused Scripture to justify atrocities (the Crusades, radical Islamism, etc.). As the last comment, some of this is due to a misunderstanding in the media and elsewhere about what the word ‘theory’ means in science. Theory is not an ‘educated guess,’ based merely on observation or preliminary testing. That would be the definition of hypothesis. Theory is developed only after multiple observations and experimentation across a broad spectrum of specific disciplines. We call the Theory of Evolution, Darwin’s, simply because he published the first major work on it. But evolution didn’t attain that status officially until long after Darwin was dead. One can be a fully-committed and believing Christian and still recognize that evolutionary theory is the best explanation for the physical development of life. Science only addresses the ‘how.’ Faith addresses the ‘why.’

    • I can’t begin to comment on how wrong you are. Not only did Sir Francis Galton, Charles Darwin’s half-cousin, pioneered eugenics, Darwin himself assisted him on it. Not only that, but as Darwin stated in The Descent of Man,

      With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

      The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.

      This should show you that you are wrong. Without the social construct of sympathy, as Darwin implies, we have evil. Also, Dawkins and other athiests have stated, through further study of Darwinism, we find that God can’t exist. Without a greater good their can be no greater evil…

      That is where a lot of anti-religion advocates miss the mark. Religion provides the foundation for morality within society, the social construct Darwin referred to. Without religion, you lack morality and such things like stealing become acceptable (I can attest to this from my experiences in China). Without this morality, you also have a lack of sympathy. Matter of fact, even with sympathy, you can still have this lack of morality since “evil” can be seen as “good” without a moral compass. Remember that the Nazis themselves believed that the “Final Solution” was a good thing, that they were doing the world a favour…

      Next time you try to challenge an assertion I have made, think a little… The road to hell is paved with good intentions

  3. “Intelligent Design (ID) is NOT Creationism.”

    You’re being dishonest. Both intelligent design creationism and bible creationism invoke magic. Whatever you call magic, it’s still childish.

    • And yet you don’t understand, matter of fact, you refuse to understand, choosing to cast aside the divine by simply stating it as “magic”. As I clearly indicated within my passage, ID can lead to God, or as Dawkins put it, to an advanced alien race. Unless we study it, we will never know.

      I am not being dishonest, you are simply being stupid… Pathetic…

  4. bullmoosegal, I agree with everything you said except this:

    “One can be a fully-committed and believing Christian and still recognize that evolutionary theory is the best explanation for the physical development of life.”

    Perhaps you are right, but I doubt that a Christian who really understood evolution would remain a Christian much longer. Biologists have shown beyond any doubt that evolution is a natural process that didn’t require any magic space man. The facts of evolutionary biology have made Mr. God an unnecessary and obsolete invention.

    • If you are going to trash religion on my blog, you will not be allow to post…

      Within the 20th century we have seen mankind at its worst, and where was God? The Nazi regime worshiped Hitler, the Soviets worshiped Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao, and there were more “prophets”. Millions died when morality was removed from society. By “killing” God, they had brought about moral anarchy. I can say that during my travels in China, I was a witness to this moral decay. Lying, cheating, stealing were all common place, and even encouraged by parents and teachers. You might not believe in God, but a society based on a good faith like Christianity is far more stable.

      I do find it amusing that someone who pretends to be smart challenges those with actual intelligence. Once again your use of the word “magic” signifies that you choose not to understand religious beliefs, and for that, are ignorant. You are pathetic, and your God-bashing has no place here…

  5. “As I clearly indicated within my passage, ID can lead to God, or as Dawkins put it, to an advanced alien race.”

    Except Dawkins doesn’t really believe that. The designer is God. Everyone knows that. Call God’s magic tricks what you want. It’s still magic and it’s still childish.

    “I am not being dishonest, you are simply being stupid… Pathetic…”

    I’m not the scientifically illiterate person who doesn’t understand evolutionary biology.

  6. Sorry, just one more thing before I waste my time elsewhere.

    “As Ben Stein pointed out in his film, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, even questioning this ‘truth’ can ruin your career.”

    If a biologist questions the truth of evolutionary biology, he or she deserves to be thrown out the window.

    To help you understand why, try to imagine a scientist who claims the earth is flat. If this scientist worked for you, you might laugh at him while throwing him out the window.

    To a competent biologist, a denial of the basic facts of evolutionary biology is equal to a belief in a flat earth. That’s why creationists are often called “flat-earthers”.

  7. “Without religion, you lack morality and such things like stealing become acceptable (I can attest to this from my experiences in China).”

    I’m not religious and I don’t steal from anyone. I noticed that to get along with everyone it’s important to have a good reputation. I would never risk ruining my reputation, and I’m not inclined to do something to somebody that I wouldn’t want done to myself. My morality is real. A religious person’s morality is fake because he or she is acting civilized because of a fear of hell.

    Even if my atheism caused me to become an axe murderer who enjoyed the taste of dead babies, that wouldn’t be evidence for your magic space man, and it wouldn’t be evidence against the facts of evolutionary biology.

  8. “If you are going to trash religion on my blog, you will not be allow to post…”

    Well, since I believe all religions are for gullible fools, I guess I will be on my way. Enjoy your ignorance and your magical fantasy world.

    • Fake morality? Once again, proof of your ignorance. It isn’t because of the fear of hell, but because of our “soul” that we have morality. The fear of punishment in the afterlife helps keep those who don’t have a strong sense of morality, from doing wrong. Matter of fact, if you do become an crazed axe murder, as you put it, it would strength the belief in God since you yourself lack that. Without God, in that case, you are no more than a vicious animal who needs to be put down.

      You stupidity strengthens my argument… Hilarious…

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      Ignorance? Through the study of Christianity we can better understand how a religious man thinks, we can better understand how a society based on faith behaves, and we can understand what it is to be without God. Gullible? Hardly. I have spent years studying my faith, and while I don’t agree with every last bit of it, I will state that Catholicism has done, and continues to do greater things. Let’s take a look at Jesus himself…

      With everyone worshiping Barack Obama (the false prophet as it were), why not actually pay tribute to a man who preached “love thy neighbour”, who healed the sick, and who sacrificed himself to save his friends? Now you can believe he is the son of God, like I do, or you can believe that he was just a man, but you can’t say that he was evil, or that following his example properly is a bad thing. I would say that if more people were even a little bit like Jesus, this world would be a better place.

      Take your hate of God and live out your miserable existence somewhere else. You are pathetic, and I pity you for being as gullible as you are to cast aside God for a false sense of intellect.

  9. One last point, Intelligent Design doesn’t say that evolution doesn’t exist, AS I STATED IN MY ARTICLE. It is clear you don’t understand that.

    Once again, ID is NOT Creationism, and sayings that “evolution doesn’t answer everything” is NOT comparable to saying the “earth is flat”. You didn’t even read the article did you?

    You’re pathetic, you are ignorant on ID and God, and have no place commenting here.

  10. I think it is interesting that the original title of Darwin’s work was “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life” and it was changed to “Origin of Species” in 1872.

    • Well I have a hard time buying a “flawed” theory is the answer to all the questions we have on the origins of life. Even Darwin himself stated that it wasn’t supposed to be applied the way it is being applied, but now you have it being forced down the throat of every scientist who dares criticize the theory of evolution. Ben Stein made some good points in that film, and while you can debate them, it doesn’t mean you can go out and try to ruin his and other people’s lives for even proposing a different idea.

      Pathetic…

  11. clancop said, “it doesn’t mean you can go out and try to ruin his and other people’s lives for even proposing a different idea.”

    Agreed. Ironically, one the main message of the movie expelled was that some in the academy simply cannot tolerate anyone who questions anything regarding evolutionary theory. They then prove Stein was right by their own actions towards him.

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